On Sat, 24 Oct. 1998, firstname.lastname@example.org
Michael ( Phoenix Rising Farm): As you can see from
our site we are very practical. We have completed the first stage and are
ready for the second (more people). I am under no illusions as to how difficult
that will be. We are not interested in expressing dreams, we have a goal
and will do OUR best to achieve it. This does not of course mean we can
achieve the impossible. We are interested in people who can relate to others
from deep within themselves (from humanities truth) not people who can
spout new age litigies. You are right there are very few people who can
rise above their own personal cultural beliefs. Honest communication is
indeed rare. Also I have noticed that WORK appears to be a dirty word amongst
a lot of people. Some people seem to feel that a little meditation and
a few positive thoughts can change the world. I hear them say "we are spiritual
beings that are living in a material world". They like the sound of the
first part and have no understanding of the second. I don't agree with
permaculture (lots of reasons) but do agree with Fukuoka that we would
do well to question the need to do this or that. Our place is based primarily
upon food (plants) I have found most communities have a fetish for building
monoliths to their own egos. Gardening is somewhat a humbler activity.
Bit of a rave! but there is no point being nice about it. We are looking
for very different people who would like to live amongst other deviants.
I think there may be one on each community - how to decide how to get together?
BeiYin: What is the difference
between a 'dream' and a 'goal'? If one is trying to achieve the realization
of a dream then this is one's goal, right? Doing one's best is part of
trying to reach it. - You write that you are interested in people who can
relate to others from deep within themselves, from humanities truth. I
can relate to this wish, because I have had this as long as I can think.
But also it seems to me, that this longing is a dream which is pretty unrealistic.
I am searching since all my life for such people, not only the last 25
You write: "I am under no illusions as
to how difficult that will be." Really 'NO ILLUSIONS'?
There past just two years and you couldn't find one 'kindred soul', so
let's see what will be 25 years ahead. It might turn out that you had indeed
a lot of illusions about that...
I have written enough about my people search
in my Home page...
You are right what you say about 'work' but it
seems to me that you are mixing up different levels: To lead a 'simple
life' and to work hard doesn't necessarily mean to 'relate from within',
to be more serious, honest or sensitive.
I admire Fukuoka and his work and would like
to practice his knowledge here in Falcon Blanco, but it is not possible
to dedicate the energy which would be necessary, so there is just enough
for a little garden. This garden we don't keep up because of need, but
because we like to do it, so this is not what you would call 'work'.
To be more rigorous about 'work': For me real
work is all what someone is doing by relating from within to what shows
up. Everything else without this is just a game, which might be a substitute
for real work and an escape from oneself and reality. Only this can be
the primary base. To say: "Our place is based primarily upon food
(plants)", sounds more like a joke to me.
Sorry, I don't want to rip apart your ideas and
I better stop now, hoping that you don't get angry with me, because I believe
we can come together, at least with a creative discussion...
Carol (Phoenix Rising Farm): At
first I thought - our rules are too strong maybe we should bend a little.
Then I realized that having people here who were not completely interested
in being here, living here with us in the same way we were prepared to
be here with them, would be too big a drain. I am just getting out of kindergarten
myself learning to be responsible and not suck energy from others. Learning
to express myself and respond to the challenges and opportunities in each
moment to be "grown up". And having so much fun growing food and being
with the animals that live here and enjoying nature. Feeling very connected
with all that is here and thinking about what could be here if there were
some more people who wanted to share a simple life. And being here is opening
my mind and heart to really knowing in my guts about living in the real
world. About being fully engaged in daily life instead of living on the
energy of dreams that will never be manifested in the world. To think about
the practical things - to solve problems, notice what needs doing and take
responsibility for getting it done, rest when I'm tired, take time to be
still and marvel at the beauty all around, to keep going with relaxed determination
to complete a difficult task, all these things are part of being here now,
in my body, alive to what might happen next.... So I want to share what
is here with people who can appreciate living simply, doing physical work
and having fun living together. The tricky thing is that the people who
I would like to share with are probably set up somewhere else already!
I read what you have written here, I am getting a warm feeling coming from
my heart and this feels very good, it doesn't happen very often. - So spontaneously
I would say: You are the right person to be part of 'Falcon Blanco'.
But then there are my experiences with people,
which told me that the expression on paper or in cyber space might be completely
different from that what shows up in daily circumstances. So I can't dare
to trust those expressions and I am obliged to check out more. What you
tell sounds all beautiful, but I know that there is a whole world behind
you and what shows up is just a little part. Right, this is a clear representation
and I recognize you as a 'kindred soul' but still then there is all this
what you yourself don't know and what would show up through confrontation
with new circumstances in which I might be for you a too strong encounter.
Then we are in trouble because naturally you will go into defense, etc.
You would try to convince me that you are right, that I need to change,
etc. We would get stuck, you naturally would use all tricks to survive
and because I would not join those games and because this is my home, you
would escape... On the other hand, I would not be able to come to your
place, because I would not abandon my cats and dogs, I like sometimes some
honey in my herb tea and if I would find a lost child on my way I would
take it with me, at least to take care of it for a while. To think that
I could be a 'drain'
I 'consume food and take up your time so that you are not available
to work or socialize' and that I might 'hassle
other community members', that's more than plenty
to stop me even from visiting you the maximum two weeks, apart that I am
older than your rules allow it and that my abilities lay on different fields
than on the acre, although I like to be with plants, more to keep connected
with earth than to 'work hard'.
Conclusion: Just to say NO because somebody or
something doesn't fulfill rigidly postulated conditions, means to exclude
part of the world and those possibilities connected with it. It means to
cling on rigid imaginations and expectations, not being really open to
life. Life in its wholeness, how it comes and how we should respond to
it. Because I have the confidence, that whatever comes to me is just right
to help me growing, what of course doesn't mean that I need to except everything.
My ability to distinguish is part of my awareness which has to be present
and to be used in any given moment.
So then what might be the meaning of our encounter
in the cyber space? I don't know yet, but I am open to investigate more
about it. Are you willing to go on that we can find out together? I believe
we have good abilities and conditions...
To understand better the comments
Michael and Carol made, here the rules copied from Michael's and Carol's
(Phoenix Rising Farm) Web site: http://www.spiderweb.com.au/~presf/
Who can join? We are looking for four people under 40yrs who:
*are active and enjoy physical work - "work is love made visible" Kahlil
*are highly self motivated and practical
*have a commitment to personal growth and are open to change
*are prepared to transcend cultural expectations
*are willing to create community
*want to lead a simple life
*have made a choice not to have children (or whose kids have left home)
*We choose to lead a simple, non materialistic, communal lifestyle
based on these Principles for cooperative living:
*meatless diet (eggs, dairy products & honey included). To produce
meat for only two people would take all 40 acres, meat as a source of protein
is a waste of resources. The philosophy behind the community is "growing"
rather than "rearing to kill".
*no alcohol, tobacco, or drugs. These reduce one's awareness, wouldn't
you rather live amongst aware individuals?
*no children living here permanently. Children are people! We can support
6-10 people. As there are two people here already we could realistically
only support two typical families. Besides there are plenty of communities
with kids (maybe none without kids), so we're going for something different
- a community of adults! Besides the first principle of environmental ethics
(Paul Ehrlich) is to reduce the population drastically ie. no kids.
*visitors to stay no more than 2 weeks. Visitors put an enormous strain
on a small community - they consume food and take up their hosts time so
that the person is not available to work or socialize, they may also hassle
other community members. If everybody wants someone to stay then they come
under prospective member status.
*no dogs or cats. We want to enjoy the wildlife. We have snakes, lizards,
wallabies, the odd roo and hundreds of birds. All of them becoming quite
tame - who needs pets?
*no TV. When's the last time you saw something that was really worth
watching? Let's put on our own plays, readings, band or other entertainment.
*addictive, possessive, or acquisitive behavior is not acceptable.
If we are going to live harmoniously together this makes sense - doesn't
*disagreements will be dealt with openly and resolved quickly. Who
needs festering disputes - let's try to do things a little differently.
*members are expected to contribute to all aspects of farm and community
life and work. No freeloaders, otherwise everyone else has to work harder.
No hermits - we're trying to create community (not A Community).