InkyPinkie: People are shocked and they are reacting in each one's individual way. What seems to be common with all is, that they find the cause and the guilty one, in this case the 'terrorists'. If they find out who it was, they will punish them or they will just use any of the various suspicious groups which have shown before to be against the 'democratic system'. 
  
An attack gives the right to use revenge. Right? The whole tradition supports it, Christian or not. Every thing serves as a reason to react, to strengthen one's own position. And the side effect is, that every body involved (who is not involved in such a dramatic happening?) will react and so feel one's own existence, making this feeling stronger by putting out energy towards an 'enemy'. United with others who are suffering, being justified by the obvious facts. 
 
Reacting with violence to violence will produce a chain reaction, which might even cause an uncontrolled world wide war. There is so much accumulated aggression every where, waiting under the surface to explode... Who wants to be a victim of a world wide explosion? Is this real action because it allows to have real reactions? What has happened is the same we can see every day in all these action movies, we were consuming since quite some time and which were lately more and more boring in spite of the more and more spectacular actions. In horror movies there are always the bad ones, so every thing is clear. Nobody needs to engage themselves and so it becomes boring after a while. Are we engaged now in the real happening seeing it in TV? It is so easy to give the fault to someone: To the terrorists, to the government or whatever. But who asks for the cause?

It is said that the attack goes against the system. That's obvious and it doesn't really matter from where the attack comes. Doesn't it make sense to ask 'why' this happens? Isn't the fact that there exists an established system (which maybe is not open for growing beyond the established limitations), that this produces and causes resistance from inside the system? And when this resistance is suppressed and the system reacts also to the outside and other different systems in a defensive way, that this inflexibility causes violent reactions? 
  
Wasn't there 2000 years ago a kind of hippy, a guy who tried to tell people that the old way of reacting with violence to violence wouldn't be the right way? (He was even talking about 'love', what seems to be far out of daily reality...) This obviously was against the established system, which then reacted in a defensive way by eliminating this attack. Isn't it still the same today? Who is reflecting about what is happening? 
Can we do something about it, which is not violent but would make a difference? Or is all what we can do, feeling as victims, suffering and finding the cause outside? 
  
Probably it is too much to ask that each of us should look inside. To discover that the outside happening is just an accumulated reaction of the same what happens (daily!) within each of us. We are holding on to what we believe we are: To our belief system, our property, to all what we have established in the long years of our individual life. What we defend by reacting to all influences coming from outside. Each of us in one's own way and also if necessary (?) with violence. 
   
Who wants to reflect about it? Who wants to talk about it? Who wants to use this forum in a creative way with the risk to show oneself admitting that we are all vulnerable...? etc. etc.

Ramiga: ... wish I had a solution.

BeiYin: There is no solution which could be applicated to the world situation. Because of the separation between people. Because of the difference between ways of life and believe systems. Because of the need to strengthen one's own position and the need to use an opponent for this. Because of the primitive state of consciousness of the average human, who is not capable to reflect upon one's reactions and instead of this projecting one's negativity to the outside, into circumstances or onto an opponent. Because of the dependency of people, clinging on habits, even worn out, not being able to drop them. Clinging on every thing which gives identification. Not being able to observe and being aware that gaining and keeping 'property', feelings, thoughts, body and any kind of material stuff, doesn't give security and for sure not happiness. Because all established systems keep people in dependency, delivering belief concepts, which not only keep people busy through being identified with it, but also fighting for it and defending it against other belief systems. Indeed there is no solution. Humanity is still in a state of developing the individual personalities. For this opponents is needed, for this enemies are needed. For this it is necessary to provoke the opponent, so that his reaction gives the right to show one's own strength. Oh, what a game! 
Producing suffering and pain, because all caused suffering will make a back slash to oneself! People are not able to see this, they give the fault for their pain to the other. They are even right with it, not being able to see that they have caused the provocation by themselves.
Is there no solution? It seems hopeless. Or is it possible that each of us, in spite of the obvious happenings, takes part in the responsibility for anything which occurs in the world, although it seems that it has nothing to do with one's personal actions. Yes, this is ask far too much. People will go on acting and reacting in the most primitive way, calling for revenge, etc. So who is throwing the first stone?

Laurent: All fighting for gods that not even exist  ...it's so primitive!
InkyPinkie: If one fights for something, then one exists. In a way it doesn't really matter for what one is fighting. The fact that one is fighting for it makes it existing. The fight gives identification, that counts.
Look at yourself: You express yourself. Why? Although what you are expressing is pretty poor, it has no real argument and is using words which are vague and without content. You are putting yourself into an absurd position by judging yourself, calling others primitive, for what you do yourself. Why do you express yourself in such a primitive way? You have an opinion and you are identified with it, even this is poor. But it makes you feel to be some body. That's enough and probably you will defend your position. If you don't have arguments, then you will react emotionally. As a last argument you will hit me on my nose in case we are face to face. Right? Maybe you will take the chance of this occasion to let out your anger you have accumulated for some time and you will beat me up if it turns out that I'm weaker than you. Are we primitive then or are we just normal average civilized
humans? Oh boy...

Billy: Let's not try to over rationalize this. They took their anger towards the US government out on thousands of innocent civilians. An act such as that deserves no second thinking. We simply hunt them down and destroy them like the stinking cowards that they are. Anyone of us or members of our families could have been in those buildings.
Judi: I whole heartedly agree! People that have no regard for human life should not be allowed to run loose. We need Hitler's running around like we need a hole in the head. 
Neil: So Judi Y Billy, how do we know for certain that what we are told is completely true, who is really responsible for the actions, surely it would be more sensible for people to gain a better appreciation of the true facts, the truth, before making assumptions and placing blame. Even after the supposed evidence has been up turned do we really know the truth ?
I don't know... I think it just makes us feel better to react and say "We simply hunt them down
and destroy them like the stinking cowards that they are". Otherwise people maybe won't think we have compassion in the face of such loss and suffering, and we just don't care.
InkyPinkie: Yes, Judi and Billy, you are completely right: No thinking necessary, only reacting. Let's destroy them all, whoever they are. It might be possible that we can't eliminate them all and then they will do the same revenge with us and send us some missiles with nice atom heads. But it doesn't matter, we will fight up to the last man and defend our right. Oh boy!
Billy: Or we could just say, "Oh well, we must have deserved it... perhaps it was our karma."
Every terrorist in the world is invited to kill all of us right now. Go ahead; we DESERVE it!
(Watch out Inky, it may be your house next). Go ahead - kill our children too while you're at it; we'll just look away and say, "well, how can we be sure we have the right guy?" What if that was your mother jumping from that building to get out of the fire??????? 
Listen up! The government should be applauded for not lashing out in anger. This is going to be a determined process of gathering enough evidence to know who supplied them, who helped them, and who else was involved; and when they are found - THEY WILL BE DESTROYED!!!!!!!!!! What happened was not a fantasy. It was not a part of the formal world either. It was Goddamned REAL.
BeiYin: Billy wrote: "Or we could just say, "Oh well, we must have deserved it..."
Yes indeed. But it is not enough to just say it. It is necessary to look deep inside of oneself to discover that the reason for all happening lays in the first place within one's first reaction and action. What means one's attitude, one's behavior, one's habits. The background from one is responding to life and all happenings around oneself. Read the following post from Betsy carefully and I wish you that you can receive something essential which gives some light to you to see things in a different way than out of unreflective reaction and hate.

Billy: I suggest that you go to New York and help pull some of the bodies from those buildings and then we'll see if you still have the same passive attitude.
BeiYin: Do you want to say that you pulled out bodies from those buildings? And because of this you have strong reactions? Or do you use this just as a strong argument to justify your hate? What do you mean by 'passive attitude'? Do you think I have no reactions? I have, although there is no hate, but a lot of sadness and desperation, also some anger about so much stupidity every where. But I look at this anger and my desperation and understand that these feelings arise because I don't want to accept reality. My image how it should and could be is different. But I can't change reality, so the best seems to be, instead of fighting against it, producing reactions and looking for something to boost on it, to use this energy channeling it into something creative. At least that's what I'm trying to do by writing here in thisNGs, with the intention to help that we don't run like bullies after each red cloth which shows up to release one's highly accumulated tension... but that we exchange our feelings and thoughts to find maybe a solution in this difficult situation, so that we maybe don't run blindly into the abyss of destruction...

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