That there is an in
build longing for 'Oneness' about this there is no doubt. The individual
tries to realize this urge by manifesting oneself on all kind of different
levels, always being identified with it. Not being conscious about the
fact that these intents are substitutes and so they are continuing staying
in separation.
There are that sophisticated
ways of mind trips that it is hard to look through what is real (realized)
and what is not real. Last night I read the Web site of a guy who believes
of himself that he is in a state of being even 'beyond enlightenment'.
(http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/)
This is in so far the most sophisticated mind trip I met lately, although
in the mailing list "NondualitySalon" (A yahoo group) are also very high
pitched people.
Expressing oneself
about 'Oneness' or 'Nonduality' what is the same, is the intent to fulfill
one's most essential need and so trying to survive from the desperate feeling
of separation. Those people who are expressing themselves on such a high
sophisticated level are pretending to have reached and realized an developed
state of being. They believe it themselves because they are so much identified
with their concept.
I can see in this a
new kind of disease which probably also might manifest on the physical
level and so breaking down this artificial constructed concept which has
no realization in one's personality.
'Spirituality' in the
most cases is part of the Oneness and Nonduality concept and probably the
result after having lived the various concepts of 'spirituality' and gathered
all available knowledge on this field.
The biggest difficulty
to change these dangerous mind games is that people are identified with
it and their personality is fed by it and so being blown up. The individuals
are defending themselves with all means and their high pitched intellectual
capacity makes them nearly untouchable. They are all more or less stuck
in their evolution. The same as normal people being stuck in their materialistic
world view.
Now bringing up a new
concept about a 'OnenessProject' probably will not do any good, because
it just adds to the other spiritual concepts. Unless the tricks of the
mind or better said the tricks of the personality using one's mind in sophisticated
identification games is unveiled.
But who wants this?
Fact is that people want to be confirmed in their property of concepts.
If their appears an influence which might diminish them then they will
defend themselves and attach the intruder. So this will happen on all levels,
because the personalities involved are unclear about themselves, as the
spiritual concepts
mostly doesn't help
in gaining self knowledge. So one can have a spiritual concept but still
keeping the old materialistic world view as a base with all those negative
outlets in personal reactions.
My intention the last
thirty years is to give information and mainly to live in a way what represents
'Oneness', but it becomes clearer every day that people are not ready for
it. The evolutionary state of people on this planet is not advanced enough
to do a step beyond their personality. There are a very few individuals
capable for this, but the immense majority wants just to enrich themselves
on all levels.
I don't know what to
do about it. I am myself in a transition and are on a point of giving up
most of my activities and intentions. I am still open for an exchange,
so we will see...
BeiYin:
[...] 'Spirituality' in the most cases is part of the Oneness and Nonduality
concept and probably the result after having lived the various concepts
of 'spirituality' and gathered all available knowledge on this field.
Betsy: I can
identify with what you write here, as I feel of late that what I am writing/expressing
is regurgitated spiritual concepts. I look at what I write and it just
feels like it's coming out of a tape recorder. I see in reviewing what
I've written or expressed that often times I'm not really listening and
connecting with the other person. What I'm doing mostly is looking for
a weakness in the other to be able to detect their flaws and then be able
to give my wisdom about their condition. So then I can see that I get quite
some satisfaction out of this procedure. I feel like I have
wasted four years
and haven't made an inch in going beyond being identified with my personality
even though I've convinced myself throughout all this time of a different
story. Awhile back I felt very different for around 3 weeks and felt like
I would lose my identity of myself, that this was the consequence. I think
I wasn't ready for
it at that time, and
have been coming up with ways to not go there all this time. I fall into
concept after concept and even seeing this game, thought I was done with
all that. Recently it became obvious to me that I'm still surviving being
attached to my identity by valuing or trying to obtain values for that
image, which I can see is impossible.
I can also see my
attachment to my conceptual understanding which I believe is quite advanced,
like you say above after having collected all that information... I really
want to leave all these games behind and just be. I know that there is
a decision maker behind, but don't know what decision to make except for
not to think. I can also see when I'm identifying with some reaction thought/feeling
and can just make the decision to let go of it. I feel I see clearly the
game behind, of all the means and attempts to give oneself meaning, to
keep the illusion going. But that doesn't mean my daily life is different.
I see the ludicrousness
of all this and probably I'm like a lot of people here, in that I know
just way too much and value it too highly.
BeiYin: There will
come the moment when it happens like when you look into a mirror holding
a mirror in front of the mirror. Then you will see yourself in the mirror
holding the mirror and in this mirror you see yourself holding a mirror,
etc. etc. going endless into the depth of space.
Until the image disappears.
What is left? There can be an answer from somebody who had this experience.
But what sense has this answer? You would just add this to your advanced
knowledge. So I will shut up and leave it up to you to make the experience
yourself. Then might have come the moment when you can step out of the
games with yourself and also with others. But it might also happen then
that you have nothing left to offer and people will turn away from you
because they can't find confirmation - not being reflected by you.
BeiYin:
The biggest difficulty to change these dangerous mind games is that people
are identified with it and their personality is fed by it and so being
blown up. The individuals are defending themselves with all means and their
high pitched intellectual capacity makes them nearly untouchable. They
are all more or less stuck in their evolution. The same as normal people
being stuck in their materialistic world view.
Betsy: I see
that there is a lot of value received from the personality to feel oneself
as a spiritual or realized person, so also I see this as a materialistic
attainment for the personality. I suppose because all the other goals didn't
satisfy and then when one arrives to this one there is a desperation to
attain it (because there seems to be nothing left) and thus the strong
urge to convince oneself that one has achieved this goal.
BeiYin: The value
of one's existence through being identified with one's self image - spiritual
or whatever kind. The satisfaction having reached the ultimate goal, which
is still part of one's self image, after a while will fade away and only
can be maintained by sharing it with others. So a group of 'like minded'
people can serve. The best is, what can be observed in the internet, to
take the role of a 'guru' or teacher and finding disciples. Web sites and
mailing lists works
well for such purpose.
BeiYin:
Now bringing up a new concept about a 'OnenessProject' probably will not
do any good, because it just adds to the other spiritual concepts.
Unless the tricks
of the mind or better said the tricks of the personality using one's
mind in sophisticated identification games is unveiled.
Betsy: I agree
that as long as one is still working to refine and develop one's self-image
then all new concepts will just be absorbed as padding to enhance the existing
'spiritual' concept.
BeiYin: But
who wants this? Fact is that people want to be confirmed in their property
of concepts. If their appears an influence which might diminish them then
they will defend themselves and attack the intruder. So this will happen
on all levels, because the personalities involved are unclear about themselves,
as the spiritual concepts mostly doesn't help in gaining self knowledge.
So one can have a spiritual concept but still keeping the old materialistic
world view as a base with all those negative outlets in personal reactions.
Betsy: As a
spiritual concept even one maintains that they are open to reflect upon
themselves and get feedback from others, which can happen in direct communication.
But I see also from my reactions that this isn't really my realized position,
I basically mostly defending the existing.
I know that if one
was really open then they would be relaxed and respond more spontaneously
and also be capable to set themselves into any direction with more ease.
BeiYin: Writing
in mailing lists you can train your ability to go with more ease from one
image to an other and stay relaxed. But probably this will cause a lack
of challenge and after a while you will feel bored and then trying to get
some more excitement out of it. So you might provoke people with irrational
reactions not giving them what they expect from you... For sure there are
still many more ways to go on and on...
BeiYin:
My intention the last thirty years was to give information and mainly to
live in a way what represents 'Oneness', but it becomes clearer every day
that people are not ready for it. The evolutionary state of people on this
planet is not advanced enough to do a step beyond their personality. There
are a very few individuals capable for this, but the immense majority wants
just to enrich themselves on
all levels.
Betsy: It seems
like the only way out of this desire to enrich yourself with all these
means, is to see it very clearly what you're doing by behaving this way.
That all these ways have the same result in that you are just turning around
yourself, staying blind in your own enriched world that you've created
by maintaining your self-image.
BeiYin: There
will come the moment, when one will have to decide: Staying blind and relatively
happy or unhappy, or dropping one's blinders and taking the risk of seeing
what does not fit in one's world view and self image. Or maybe it will
just happen and then one will need to decide to go on in desperation of
being in a state of insecurity, disorientation and vulnerability
or falling back into one's old worn out masks.
BeiYin: I don't
know what to do about it. I am myself in a transition and are on a point
of giving up most of my activities and intentions.
I am still open for
an exchange, so we will see...
Betsy: I am
interested in this topic and would like to know what it is that I can do
to drop all these games.
BeiYin: 'Being
interested in this topic' will not be enough. It is not enough to be tired
of one's games. It is not enough to be really fed up with all games.
Unless one is so sick
of one's games that one is ready to die instead of continuing, otherwise
one will not be able to drop one's games. So there is little hope! But
you can be quiet about it: It is all a question of time. Just go on with
your games, there will come the time when you will get tired of it, then...
and then... until it drops by itself, by it's own weight, you don't need
to do anything at all. You will see...
Yes, there is a short
cut. You don't know about it yet?
NO, NO: it is NOT
suicide, what someone might think, in contrary: it is the direct opposite!