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Comment: [...] I do not think this NG is the place for self-awareness topics. Not that some are not self aware here (or interested in it) but it is not a popular subject (in any disease NG's), I guess, because most people do not think the connection is applicable.
BeiYin: If one is suffering for many years from unbearable pain, lack of energy and the result this has on one's daily life, then this should give enough motivation to quest oneself and one's situation. If this is not a 'popular subject' then this tells enough about the state of evolution of humanity, which shows not only in individuals but clearly from the low level of consciousness in groups. Beginning with families, all kind of gatherings, communities, IntentionalCommunities, news groups, mailing lists, companies, associations, up to world organizations and governments. When our planet is in such a condition like it is, then because 'consciousness' is not a popular subject. Not only in disease NGs and in all other NGs, but also all over the place.
I can talk out of my own experience: Since thirty years I am trying to find people to form an 'Intentional Community'. It seems to be impossible. Why? Because self-awareness is not ask for. It is not possible to live in an Intentional Community without 'self awareness' and if this is not an important topic. So who wants this? Obviously there is a lack of people.
If people are not suffering to an unbearable extent and only are 'normally frustrated', then they continue to strive for the goals given by society, there is no need to quest themselves. Obviously those who are extremely suffering are so much stuck in their dependency and their unconscious structure, that they are not capable to do a step beyond this, even there would be nothing they would lose, only they could gain.
Indeed, most people don't think that the 'connection is applicable'. There are about 1.000 million (or more?) people on this planet with incurable diseases, treated with chemicals which doesn't cure... Isn't this yet enough to make people think?
You may call me arrogant, but the fact is that I do not belong to those people who prefer to keep their head in the sand... As long I can think I have questioned myself and my situation and have tried to find a creative solution in conflicts and problems.
With this attitude and having the trust that whatever happens is a challenge just right for me, I found a way to deal with Fibromyalgia. I went through all the suffering which are again and again described by so many people in this NG. With the exception that I never went into the trap of medication, which I already questioned forty years ago when I had some symptoms. For me the 'self-aware topic' was always the most important. And so I found a way to recover from Fibromyalgia. When I wanted to share this... Well, you know what happened.
Comment: I think for some it is a necessity and others do better, for
themselves, without it.
BeiYin: Obviously it is for all necessary, but probably only for a few applicable. All the other have to stay in dependency of medication, going on suffering for the rest of their life. This is a sad fact, but there seems no other way. If there is no question - there can't be received an answer.
Comment: Is there no NG where this would be an ordinary topic? I can not find one.
BeiYin: There is no place where *this* is an 'ordinary topic'. The only place exist for this is where you are. I wish that you find this place and due to this exchange other people might open up for it.
I am willing and ready to give hints to make it applicable.
Comment: I am a very open minded person...
BeiYin: This is what you believe of yourself. This is the image you have of yourself. It is a concept which can be easily proofed if you have a minimum of openness. Can you be aware of your reaction if something comes to you which is unknown or does not fit into your view? Can you observe yourself in such a moment? Then you might see that you are open only to
influences which fit into the established property of your concepts. For every thing else you will find a reason to reject it. In this way you defend yourself and your property will stay untouched, included that image of a 'very open minded person'.
Probably you are not even open enough to except such a possibility...