On 25. Aug 1998 "Lobster"
Lobster: It does not matter
what you said. The situation is different.
BeiYin: It does matter. This
is a discussion group and we have an exchange, what means that we are responding
to that what another member of the group had said. But if this person hasn't
understood what was said before or hasn't read what was said, then it is
necessary to repeat it. If something is misunderstood then it is necessary
to repeat maybe with other words and from another angle. It gets much more
complicate because this is not a discussion group which stays on the intellectual
level like most news groups and mailing lists.
We are trying to include our whole
being, what could mean our feelings and our intuition. This at least should
be our intention. We are still doing our first steps, so better not to
expect too much. On the other hand the intention to get people interested
in a project like 'FalconBlanco' will fail if we stay with our personal
needs and wishes and are not able or willing to go beyond this.
Who is looking for 'like-minded'
people to get confirmation for one's concepts, believes, goals or images,
will not be able to listen to something which doesn't fit into those desired
pictures. I am not interested in such an exchange, where the participants
are satisfied after having swallowed the others or are been swallowed.
With other words: People's goal is to be confirmed in their personal structure,
in their identity with their property, intellectual, emotional or their
physical aspects. It is relatively easy to form a community for this, it
is just necessary to formulate an offer people can identify with
and which promises satisfaction, - this will work. In this everything is
clear and the person knows what to expect. Or there is a promise, which
is not that clear but confirms the longing for something, which comes out
of subtle needs of a person, but is still mostly unconscious. Religious
promises are working with it, also magic, new age, etc.
Lobster: Are we coming together
for a purpose?
BeiYin: I have created this
mailing list for a purpose, this was described and because of this people
have joined this list. We are still in the beginning of our discussion
and it might be the most important that we ask and listen to possible answers.
There is obviously nobody who has experiences with communities, so that
we could learn from this person, to avoid mistakes which has been done
before. We haven't even reached this point to ask about it. There were
pronounced the most subtle needs, but then these were put beside as 'too
spiritual' and not realistic. I am not interested to be in a community
which serves in the first place to survive with one's different aspects
of personality, surely not. So maybe here the first decision has to be
made. In so far the question for the purpose is legitimate.
Lobster: Are we coming together
for a chat and a good time and to be 'spiritual'?
BeiYin: Are we 'coming together'?
I guess not yet, we even don't know each other good enough to be understood.
We are not 'coming together' to be confirmed by the others or to show ourselves
and get feedback on this, not being 'spiritual', funny, clever or what
ever. 'Coming together' could mean that we not only have an intellectual
exchange but also that we dare to express our feelings, not just to get
rid of our anger. It would also mean that we share experiences which guides
us beyond our personality...
Lobster: Can we create a vision?
Move towards it?
BeiYin: 'Created visions'
are mostly images coming out of one's personal needs and certainly will
fail. To have a vision and not just a wishful picture, it is without doubt
necessary to be in contact with one's inner source, or whatever you might
call this. Intuition is the subtle medium to receive a vision. Depending
on the clearness of the 'channel' the expression will be more or less individually
colored. A vision is not a goal, towards one moves. A vision is the nearest
possible, in every moment and from the first moment on. A vision has to
be lived, there is no fighting for it or struggling towards it. In the
moment a vision is seen, it manifests itself, the vision is present within
this being who is the keeper. The vision and the keeper are one, otherwise
it is not a vision. FalconBlanco is a vision and it is manifest in a high
degree, - for those who share the same vision. Who don't, can't be convinced
and words are lacking to explain about it in a way that all can be understood.
My words can only be a key for those who knows or at least have the intuitive
feeling of it. So it is a difficult situation but on the other hand quite
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:33:04 EDT, NURSWITCH@aol.com
Blenda: Ah yes, Lobster. I
am picturing the image of a lobster... not a friendly picture, and not
always approachable unless you are wearing your protective gloves. I have
done a lot of contemplation about the interactions between all of us. It
must all be grounded in love if we are to remain connected.
BeiYin: Indeed, if there is
a 'vision' then there is love, because without love there is no vision.
If there is one without love, then this vision is coming out of desires
Blenda: I feel that those
who push my buttons and make the hair on the back of my neck stand on end
are drawn by me to enable me to look at myself more closely and to see
if I really can remain grounded in love when the situation is less
than ideal. He is the thorn who has been thrown into the pot and we will
all be scratched when it is done. But, alas, the thorn that has bounced
against the surface of others, eventually loses some of its sharpness.
BeiYin: Provocation > Reaction
> Reflection > Being aware > Looking through > Self knowledge > Decision
> Not reacting.
Blenda: I want to stay open
to Lobster. Although his ideas are not what is conducive to the space at
FB, they are creative ideas. It is possible to acknowledge that an idea
is good without having to accept it or integrate it into one's life. There
are lessons to be learned here, Bei-Yin. Choose love, stay in love, open
your heart. FB is your space, no one can make decisions about it except
you, and your heart has been right so far. You have touched others. A vision
is always dynamic. I feel in my heart that you will continue your vision
with a network of people who may not always be there in the physical, but
are there in spirit. It's really a matter of how open we are willing to
be in the presence of each other and how much we love and respect you for
your own essence. Time has no significance in the inner, we must let it
BeiYin: I agree wholeheartedly
and thank you for your words expressing truth.
Blenda: Can you open to me
enough to help you keep your vision going? I have hung a tin opener in
my kitchen as a symbol of
FB and a symbol of my commitment to giving and
sharing at FB. Feel loved, for you are.
BeiYin: Yes I can. - I see
it as a realization of 'togetherness' and so a step towards 'Falcon Blanco'.
Subject: Re: Movement "Lobster"
firstname.lastname@example.org on Tue, 25 Aug 1998 wrote:
Lobster: Dear BeiYin, I have deleted the
whole of your post because it is just waffle.
You have invited us to FB. You don't
know why or to what purpose. You are not prepared to discuss a project
through which we may expand and grow. The spiritual growth can occur around
such a project and we can discuss what we would like to do as a group or
community. As I keep saying you are a kind and gentle person. However if
you want a community to develop and grow you must provide a structure and
not just believe something 'organic' will mysteriously happen. If you can
not see this. Then we are both wasting each others time. I have plenty
to do. If you require help - ask. If you want to do - say what. If you
want to waffle - please find someone else.
Please know I am not being unkind
but I do not have time for your approach - you have failed previously and
will again. I have offered what I feel is required.
Be Well Lobster
BeiYin: Adios Lobster, thanks
for your intention. Be well as well