...it sounds like you don't think enlightenment exists? This shocks me.
I always thought Buddha was enlightened and so were probably more like
If I would think so then this would mean that I believe it, but that I
have no proof for it. All beliefs contain insecurity, even the strongest
beliefs delivered by authorities and established systems and being part
of society. They might have a long history and are part of culture and
tradition and therefor seem to be profound and true.
I don't know if Buddha
was enlightened, as I never met him and even I would know him personally,
there is no way to find out about it, as I'm not enlightened and only an
enlightened person is capable to recognize another enlightened person.
It is somehow similar with art: Only an artist can recognize an artistic
expression as 'real art'. There are so many people pretending, that probably
no field is excluded and for sure 'being enlightened' is no exception.
There is pretty much information available what enlightenment could be
and so it is not difficult to make a convincing concept out of it, then
write a few wise and clever books, which will satisfy the need of the present
'thinking fashion', then give yourself an attractive guru outfit and you
will gather people around you, etc.
Then we come to the
question: "Why people are pretending? And why should someone pretend to
be enlightened?" Simply because this lifts one up as being the most special
human possible and having admirer and followers gives a lot of confirmation
for one's role.
I'm not saying that
'enlightenment' is not possible, but that somebody is expressing oneself
after having had spiritual experiences is not enough. These experiences
might be authentic and change the personality of this person, but this
is not necessarily coming out of 'enlightenment'.
Another question might
come up now: "What about those various founders of religions, have they
been enlightened?" I don't know. It might be possible, but looking
at and understanding human nature, I would say that a basic step to enlightenment
is to know about human nature. With this knowledge and some other engredience
there might come out the feeling of responsibility to do something about
'reality' then this person might feel the urge to give some 'rules' and
advices to better human behavior and so human conditions. But then also
knowing that for humans their personality and the satisfaction of their
desires and especially the confirmation of their self image, is the most
important in this state of human evolution and there hasn't change something
essential about it the last two thousand years. Bearing account of these
facts, then I would say that a really 'enlightened' human probably would
not have expressed her/himself, because - without any exception - all is
used for one's 'lousy' personality and NOT to go beyond it - toward 'enlightenment'.
one can't be enlightened, then what is the point of it all... is there
For what kind of goal you are striving doesn't really matter: It might
be power, money, possessions, being strong or beautiful, knowledge, wisdom,
attention, love or enlightenment. As long as you have something which gives
sense to you and fills the void in which you would fall not having any
thing to go for, it doesn't really matter.
Why are people 'good'
or 'bad'? Why it is important for most to look neat and clean? And for
others to have a crazy outfit and being different? For most it is important
to wear the newest fashion and for others to wear worn out and rotten cloth?
They all want to be special and get attention. So for some people the confirmation
with outside means has lost it's importance. There might be many reasons
for it: If somebody is ugly then probably has not chosen the goal to be
beautiful or if somebody is poor and after having tried for many years
to be rich has given up and looks for something else, and so on...
Probably it has to
do with one's personal state of evolution, but still the most important
is one's personal satisfaction and for this people are seeking on the outside.
there is no enlightenment, then I don't see the point of searching for
If there is no truth,
there is no reason to look for it.
If there is no being,
then there is no reason to be.
If there is or is not enlightenment - who knows? But there is the concept
of it and this is enough! Like all the other concepts with which people
fill up themselves and their lives.
'Looking for truth'
means to get confirmation for your own truth, probably the concept of how
it should be: Your experiences, your feeling and your thoughts. Then you
will feel well and have no depressions. 'Truth' is probably the most unwanted
what can show up. People will do every thing not to recognize it, even
though they are pretending to search for it and to love it. But this is
there is no being, then there is no reason to be."
What are you saying here? Isn't this nonsense? Do you exist or not? You
know that you exist. There is absolutely no doubt about it! What might
be is that you want to exist more than you exist and you are looking for
ways for it, but because you do so, then with this you are pointing into
a far out direction and loosing the present opportunity to experience your
'existence'. You are playing a game with yourself. It might even be possible
that you reach 'instant enlightenment' if you could realize your position
and drop your games. But there is the 'guardian of the threshold' and will
not allow that you enter this space. At least not that easy and just by
talking about it...
am getting more and more depressed about this lately, because I see that
there is a certain futility to life, in the way it is so unlimited. I wish
to learn so many things, and see so many people, and hold hands and dance
and be joyful, and all those things... and I realize that I am trapped
in my existence as a human being that has needs and desires and wants and
wishes, and I can't possibly fulfill all of them. Do all the things I want
to do. Learn all the subjects and facts I want to.
You are depressed? Congratulations! I see this as absolutely positive.
This is a sign of your growing process and shows that there is build up
an obstacle so that you can question yourself and maybe find out about
all this... So you might ask yourself why you 'want to learn so many things'.
You are NOT trapped in your existence because you have needs and wishes.
Yes, you are human and so if you feel that you want 'to hold hands' then
just do it!
impossible! There just is not enough time. I feel for a second maybe it
is better then - to quit it? I don't know... But I found my new major subject
in school, which is going to lead to "peace, understanding and co-operation",
on the way subjects concerning global education. It will be very exciting,
I am sure. Maybe I can do something good some day.
"There is not enough time?" You are in the beginning of your life! If I
would say this, having maybe ten or twenty years left ahead... But I don't
say this, I prefer to finish this comment, what happens after I don't worry
If you are 'excited'
then just go on, there will be no space left for 'depressions', so enjoy
it as long as it lasts..."Maybe I can do something good some day." Yes,
nice goal, but what you are not doing now has in the best case the function
of a carrot for a donkey, it makes him moving toward a desirable goal.
you believe it is impossible to reach enlightenment?
Do you think it is possible to jump over one's own shadow? The fact is
that many people are trying it and this keeps them busy all their life.
It makes sense to them although it is senseless. The same with 'going beyond
one's personality', sounds good as a concept, but in reality it just doesn't
work: The dog runs after his own tail! At least he has fun - and feels
his existence... So go on, the majority of humanity is with you!
This question indicates
that there is a lack of understanding what enlightenment really is. Or
there is a misunderstanding. Probably because the last thirty years this
conception became overloaded with religious and mystical luggage.
Let us see what the
Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English tells us: Enlightenment
= the act of enlightening: This law is so difficult to understand that
only a lawyer can provide enlightenment. 2: the state of having been enlightened:
family owed a great deal to the enlightenment of their mother's opinions
about the bringing up of children.
Enlightenment = the
period in the 18th century in Europe, when certain thinkers taught that
science and the free use of reason would improve the human condition.
So far it doesn't
say much to enlighten the subject. So let's continue to read: enlighten
= to cause to understand; free from false beliefs: Peter thought the
world was flat until I enlightened him!
Aha! "Free from false
beliefs" This makes it a little bit clearer: If one is free from false
beliefs then one is 'enlightened', at least in this specific part, but
not totally of course. So to follow the 'use of reason' it would mean if
somebody is free of ALL false beliefs then this person would be 'enlightened'!
It seems to me that this is still not enough. I am convinced that it doesn't
matter if a belief is false or true, - as long the belief is just a belief
and not realized in one's personal growing process. I even want to go further:
A person is not really 'enlightened' if there are still remaining beliefs
and concepts and as long one's existence is based in confirmations of one's
'Enlightenment' is possible, but it doesn't mean that there exist or had
ever exist any humans with a complete realized state of this being.
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