Robby:
Instead
of going for Enlightenment, for most of us, life is what we do.
BeiYin:
Life
- to be lived
Life
is what we are
life
is what we do
what
we feel - what we think.
Life
is what makes us cry
what
makes us laugh.
Life
is our mistakes
and
the finding of truth.
Striving
for a goal
might
motivate us
life
is the path
wherever
it goes
Life
is the stones
hurting
my feed
Life
is my suffering.
What
else can I do
than
keep going
to
wherever the way guides me
can
I do more
than
responding to what shows up?
Goals
might be just wishful fantasies
losing
their importance while walking
The
hurting stones remind me
to
pay attention to each step I take
opening
myself to details beside the road
enjoying
the shade under a tree
and
the beauty of a greeting flower
I
am becoming addicted to life.
BeiYin
14.
7. 1999
Robby:
It ís an expensive habit. We are all too busy sucked into everyday
life to use it to become enlightened. We are as addicted to our doing in
everyday life as the junkie is to the heroin.
BeiYin:
That's
right, people are very busy with their everyday lives. They are sucked
by it perhaps all their life time. That is their lives. Who is going to
judge? One who has taken 'enlightenment' as a goal in one's life, might
feel special and selected from the mass of lost people, but the path to
this goal will show, that it is just another kind of survival technique
for one's personality.
Robby:
It ís easy to see that the junkie and the alcoholic are throwing
life away, fix after fix and drink after drink. They are using those substances
to avoid their feelings, or to feel ok with those feelings. By doing that,
they are avoiding parts what we consider life to be.
BeiYin:
We
are all throwing life away by not responding to life, by not relating to
what shows up in this very moment. But everybody does as good as he/she
can. We all are avoiding certain feelings, what we have to learn is to
deal with them in a creative way and not to hide ourselves or to cover
those feelings. As long we are identified with our feelings (and thoughts)
and living towards a goal, what is nothing more than an image, an idea
or a concept, we will have feelings that we will not like; because these
are reactions of what provokes the daily reality. So those goals are the
cause for part of our frustration and we react in a negative, defensive
way, to hold on our goals. It doesn't really matter if this is the sophisticated
goal of enlightenment or just the simple wish to feel good.
Who
is going to separate life into portions? The businessmen want us make believe
that we can buy portions of life when we buy their products! And there
are others, they are called 'gurus' and they want to sell us enlightenment,
they are nearly as clever as salesmen, convincing us to adapt their techniques,
philosophies, etc.
Robby:
On the other hand, the effects of those substances are life for them. Do
they evolve through pain and suffering? How different is that from others?
BeiYin:
Right,
it seems the only way humanity can evolve is through pain and suffering.
What makes it so difficult is that humanity obviously is still on such
a primitive level, that they have developed many survival techniques to
avoid pain and suffering, instead of using reactions such as pain and suffering
in a creative way. Is it that there is not yet enough information available
to deal with it? There is information available, but obviously nobody is
(yet) interested. (For example: I wrote about thirty comments in the last
few weeks in various news groups and there was not even one response! )
Robby:
Buddha said that existence is painful.
BeiYin:
For
sure this is a mistaken interpretation. Existence is not painful. Existence
becomes painful because of our personal reaction to reality.
Robby:
We all want to escape pain, most people choose the path of denial/distraction.
BeiYin:
Exactly,
that's the reason why 'existence is painful', people haven't yet learned
to relate in a creative way, not to what shows up in life and not to their
own reaction.
Robby:
Only
a few of us choose the path of enlightenment to escape the pain.
BeiYin:
With
the new age movement and the 'american spirituality' which is also using
the Internet to find followers, the number is growing pretty strong and
even their slogans are entered into the consuming world.
Robby:
Enlightenment is the only sure way, nothing else works.
BeiYin:
This
you say because you are convinced, and you have chosen this survival method.
You can't say that nothing else works, or have you tried every thing available?
For sure you haven't finished up to its end the method of 'enlightenment',
otherwise you would know that you are trapped in an illusion and there
isn't another way to enlightenment than life itself.
Robby:
The most powerful drugs, the most lavish lifestyles all fail eventually.
Not even death brings relief. The unfulfilled desires from this life require
more lives to bring them to completion. The path of denial/distraction
involves turning away from the pain of existence; that is why it fails.
Everywhere you turn, there is existence, so there is no escape from the
pain.
BeiYin:
You have adapted a certain quite sofisticated
dogma, check if this is really still valuable.
Robby:
The path people have taken becomes a matter of numbing themselves. It's
death of one's life plan, no matter what one choose as the numbing agent,
there can't be success on this path, failure is guaranteed.
BeiYin:
Failure is guaranteed on whatever path, as
long there is a goal in one's mind. 'Personality' is bound to goals, success,
motivation, defense, confirmation, etc. Failures are stepping stones on
our path. We move creatively forward and we are not loosing energy by fighting
against unfavorable circumstances because they might be in contrary of
our images, goals, etc.
Robby:
Existence is everywhere as we are turning around ourselves, so then why
does enlightenment work? It works because it produces non-involvement with
existence. Paradoxically, it is the total involvement with existence that
produces the pain in the first place. No involvement, no pain. Pain doesn't
get generated, so no denial/distraction/numbing is required. It is the
involvement of the denial path that requires lifetime after lifetime. Without
involvement, no lives are necessary. Its a matter of choice. On the path
of enlightenment, existence itself is an illusion to be dispelled, nothing
more. The engine of existence runs on the fuel of desire. It doesn't matter
if that desire is for true love from another person, a Rolls Royce, a yate,
a new toy, or anything else.
BeiYin:
Pretty
week dogma you are presenting and this seems to be clear by now so no further
comment is necessary.
Robby:
On
the path of enlightenment, they are all equally illusion producing.
BeiYin:
Your dogma of the 'path of enlightenment'
is also 'illusion producing'.
Robby:
Does this mean we should cease all activity and go into navel gazing? No,
we are all here for a purpose, and one of the first steps on the path of
enlightenment is to discover that purpose and get
on with it.
BeiYin:
To be able to find out about the purpose of life
one must be enlightened and as this is still an illusion, so let's drop
this idea and go on with our lives just in the ways we are capable. Just
as normal, simple not yet enlightened human beings, nevertheless being
responsible and trying our best. But we will avoid to follow anybody who
is promising too much and using words which sound great but are part of
misty concepts.
Robby:
After all, where we live is the manifested universe! We have inner stillness
in the midst of activity and chaos to keep things in perspective.
BeiYin:
Indeed,
good for the one who has inner stillness and even those who don't have
it can look forward and trust that life will contribute all they need to
fulfill their purpose - whatever this might be!
Robby:
Guess we need a new paradigm that isn't based in duality. Any suggestions?
BeiYin:
Drop
your head - let go
let
your heart be aware - beam
no
words needed - no digm
relate
to what shows up - now
connect
your hands with your heart - go on
take
a bucked and water the plants - do it
expressing
life through your personality - be it
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