Albert Einstein: (Quote) "One cannot alter
a condition with the same mind that created it in the first place. ~ "
InkyPinkie: With all respect to a genius,
but Albert seems to be stuck in his genius mind. It is very easy to proof
him wrong: We all know from experience that it is possible to clean something
dirty with a dirty rag... Isn't this surprising?
BeiYin: Albert Einstein belongs to another
generation and what was true in his epoch might now be a worn out thinking
pattern. Indeed Albert Einstein is wrong but this needs more explication
although the example of InkyPinkie is as genius or even more than that
what Einstein said. [...]
Betsy: I don't see that the mind created
the mind. As far as I can tell the mind is
reactionary behavior, like a mirror reflecting
what was. If I'm tuned into that
state or identifying with it, then it seems easy
to dream up new conditions of existence for myself in this world, which
implies 'altered conditions'. Being
identified with the mind, one creates conditions,
then it follows that you can use 'this same mind' to create a new condition.
But I think what is being said here is that the mind is not the tool to
use to escape from one's conditioned way of responding to life.
BeiYin: ...Writing in news groups one
can not expect that basic knowledge is common and so it is necessary to
give some simple information first:
Mind by itself doesn't exist. It always is totally
bound to a thinker and these are individuals who in their usual step of
evolution are identified with their mind. They are clinging on their mind
because they are getting their proof of existence out of it. This is a
condition but this is not created by the mind, it is hold by the individual
and the mind is used to defend and confirm this condition. One can see
it as a state of mind but in reality it is the evolutionary (stuck) state
of the individual. [...]
Betsy: To restate this, as I understand
it: Thoughts are reactions and the thinker or individual strings them together,
producing the phenomenon of mind or in other words the feeling of an "I".
So this clinging on their mind is this desire to let this "I" continue,
or in other words the desire to hold onto this existence. If this condition
is being held by the individual and the individual can clearly see it,
then what could be needed to let go of this old confirmation game?
BeiYin: ... Now, how can this condition
The first step for this might be that the individual
realizes that thoughts are reactions of the system, similar like feelings
of any kind: emotions or body sensations. Now the question is what the
individual makes out of this. Just using these reactions to be confirmed
in one's existence or looking behind and finding the cause of reactions
and then maybe changing the cause. If the individual enters in this process
what indeed is a growing process, then the conditions are altered and the
phenomena is that the mind serves for this, it is in fact like using
a dirty rag to clean.
Betsy: Okay with the first step. But what
does it mean to use these reactions to be confirmed in one's existence?
It seems to mean reacting from these or giving the
reason for one's next action from that which
came before, in a defending
continuing way for one's old patterns.
What does it mean to look behind one's reactions
and find the cause for the reaction? This seems to mean looking at one's
reaction to something and questioning why one reacted that way. This seems
to take a few repetitions before one can really see a certain patterned
way of responding. Then the 'why' may be discovered. In this way I can
understand the growing process or similar to uncovering the layers of the
subconscious behavior. Knowing the why and then armed with this information,
then when the reaction appears again, one can respond differently and change
So then I can see that the mind serves in that
it is like a mirror of our reactions, or the stamped image similar to a
dirty rag. A sign of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over,
but expecting a different result.
InkyPinkie: Obviously the dog gets fun
out of it chasing one's own tail, so why not humans?
BeiYin: What probably is meant is that
people are in a game with themselves and they are getting a certain kind
of satisfaction out of it. To call this 'insane' would mean that humankind
is insane all over, what seems to be right but it can also be seen as a
phase within the growing process. It is a reality that people are to a
high degree absolutely stupid, but that's what it is. Nobody will call
a dog an idiot when he is chasing one's tail, right?
Betsy: In all seriousness, I feel like
an idiot and I can laugh at the dog.
InkyPinkie: There is no question, the
human system is self sufficient. The individual inside the cage doesn't
feel like in a cage, only an observer from outside can make such a statement
and as there is nobody outside, so this is another speculation, another
game running after one's own tail...
BeiYin: Humankind is not that different
from animals. The main difference is that a human can say: "I" and with
this one is in a certain degree conscious about oneself. With the result
that humans have entered into a series of games with the intention to make
this "I" stronger. The main effect does the identification game, which
causes among others also this hamster wheel inside a cage in which people
are caught and running all their life long. Society has established a whole
system of hamster wheels and there is no doubt or questioning about it.
All this gives the feeling of 'existence' and as long people are
satisfied with it, even when they are suffering from it, then there is
Betsy: Right now I feel stuck, seeing
the identification game yet not knowing how to go beyond this. I intuitively
sense this clinging to this way of existence, but can't quite see what
I get out of it. Is it that one needs to see the main cause of one's personal
satisfaction with it in order to let go? I feel so blinded in this mode,
so full of identifying that I feel so much passes me by and this seems
reason enough to let go. Are these expressions reasons that I use for my
own defense to make my "I" stronger?
InkyPinkie: Yes, we are higher Dog
Beings, we can choose our destiny: We can run in the opposite direction
chasing our tail, but first we have to stop running to be able to turn
around and this only one of one thousand people might be capable to do.
This needs a lot of tough work, although supported by sophisticated techniques
of eastern and other philosophical traditions. But it is worthwhile, you
will feel happy running in a new direction, you will feel special and you
will feel the need to convince other Dog Beings of your new path... If
you are strong and have the right charisma other Beings will run
after you... Great! You will be the creator of another New Age! A revolution
in human consciousness might start!
BeiYin: It gets very complicate when we
realize that within the hamster wheel and cage in which humankind is stuck,
also those sophisticated games like philosophy, spirituality, religion,
etc. are used to find confirmation of one's existence. Not so long ago
people were fighting for very basic things like food, then for land, then
for the interests of a leader, then for a believe system or a religious
dogma or other political or proper ways of world view. Fighting for one's
property and killing, if possible eliminating the opponent. Nothing has
changed from the beginning of humankind, still being stuck in the hamster
wheel and cage. There seems to be no way out. Once in a while there appears
somebody on earth who claims to have found a way out of the cage and is
offering a key. But what happens is that what ever is offered has been
used for the old established games and is integrated in the old system,
what can't be integrated was eliminated and this is still the main way
to deal with problems. Sad, but that's what it is. Is there somebody who
really want to change this?
Betsy: So it appears that the main game
is to prove one's existence with one's mental confirmations to that end.
Therefore any conceptual thought up thing is used to that end and what
we do is just invent new ones when the old ones wear out. I can see why
this can go on for a long long time, people being convinced that they are
changing because of the new constructs they create and try to implement
on the outside. So then to summarize, the basic problem is using
everything possible to confirm one's existence for one's continued individual
survival, when in reality there is nothing there to confirm. Can one break
out of the cycle of self destructive behavior by being 'positive' about
it? Can we choose new thoughts to build up a new attitude?
BeiYin: There is indeed a key out of the
dilemma. Out of the 'Hamster or Dog personality'. This can't be given as
an 'instant information' this only can be work, done individually. It depends
in the first place on the evolutionary state of the individual, being ready
to get out of the old worn out games...
Betsy: I can see that I have one big worn
out game that I would like to let go of, but coming up with new thoughts
hasn't helped. As I see it, all these 'new thoughts' are taking place in
the same self-serving identifying construct and nothing seems to change.