do you mean by ‘Transformational Change’? An
on the audio...
In answering this myself as the interviewer I would say: A transformational
change is a change that makes one start a completely different lifestyle.
Then the new position of this person is so certain that what he/she is
doing on the deepest level is right and for good that there is no room
for fear, or wrong actions and decisions. All actions are completely in
tune with the rest of the universe. This is my understanding; I am interested
in hearing yours.
What you are saying describes a possible result of a transformational change
but not what it is by itself. Indeed, a 'transformational change' will
have significant results that will show in ones lifestyle, behavior and
well being. There might be no fear anymore, as fear is a reaction coming
from ones unconscious background and this might be cleared up. Now how
does this transformational change happen and what is it? If ice melts and
becomes water, then this is a transformational change. If waste goes into
the compost and what comes out is good earth, or if a seed grows and becomes
a plant, or a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, then this we might understand
as a transformational change.
The problem with human's
mind is that real 'understanding' is not possible, unless one has passed
this transformational change oneself, because real understanding includes
ones whole being and not just the mind. The usual is that understanding
is felt when a happening or condition fits to an established concept so
that it is confirmed. When this is the case then the individual feels satisfied
and content, because being identified with ones concepts, one feels confirmed
in ones existence when ones owned concept is confirmed. That's the main
reason why people seek exchange, what in deed is no real exchange, but
just a confirmation game, although it is felt as communication. The emotions
are mostly involved when being confirmed and accelerates the excitement
The possession even
of the best concept, for example for self-growth, might hinder the realization
of it and any real change, because the individual in spite of the adapted
concept does not want such a change and will do everything to avoid it,
not being conscious about this fact. Concepts do a good job in this and
there is no end in this kind of pseudo understanding.
I don't understand, even though I can sense there is something... Can you
explain this more?
So whatever I might explain, it will be added to ones already stored concepts,
in the way as ones limited understanding or misinterpretation goes. This
will not help to further any real 'transformational change'. So that means
that I should better shut up and refuse to talk about it, because whatever
I might express will be used to add to ones concepts, confirming the already
established or if this is not possible, then what doesn't fit will be ignored
and rejected. If I would insist to clear things up then probably there
would come an even stronger defense reaction, that might go up to physical
Can't you give an example how it can be that one has a good self-growth
concept and then can't realize this?
The only thing I can do now is to point out why it is so difficult that
there happens a 'transformational change'. If I would go into examples
that would be very easy, as human's function through their conceptual thinking,
but then people who have made this concept to their own, would jump on
me, because they would feel offended and will defend their wonderful concept
that gives them such a good feeling, sense and fulfillment, or at least
keeps them busy. So I better hold back, I don't want to provoke a war or
get beaten up.
Yes I see, but you can tell what the reason is why the whole thing is so
complicate and tricky?
It has to do with human nature and as part of this with 'Personality',
that what we believe we are. This is not specifically 'human' because also
animals have it, but humans are totally identified with it and that's what
makes it so extremely difficult to extend the boundaries of it or better
said to go beyond the personality. Apart of that nobody really wants to
go beyond ones established self feeling. The system of 'personality', like
all systems, wants to keep itself together and intact, for sure not wanting
to lose itself. Instead of this the personality is trying to gain more
and more, whatever this might be: Property on all levels, security on all
levels, power on all levels, etc. Property not only on the material level,
although in our society this is the most importance, but after this comes
the intellectual property. If one is rich, then one has the possibility
to manipulate others and this will serve to get even richer. The same with
intellectual properties: one can manipulate others and make them to followers
by charing ones knowledge or make that they do what one wants. There is
no end and one can never get enough. Do you think those people want a 'transformational
change'? So then who might want it? Hardly anybody. For example: What are
doing the professionals in spiritual matters like the churches and religious
organizations? They offer concepts and rituals. This is enough to keep
people as followers and keep them satisfied and quiet. Churches are still
among the richest companies in the world, beside the pharmaceutics and
I agree in this, but what about all those professionals, experts in 'transformational
You mean: Experts for psychological changes. That mainly significates that
they are educated to manipulate the structure of personality so that the
individual is integrated without too big problems into society: Then having
success on all levels, making a lot of money and being happy. Experts have
their techniques to treat people, make a good living from it and if they
can't help to make a change happen with their methods they are specialized
in, then they prescribe medication: Tranquilizer, painkiller, sleeping
pills, etc. - or send the client to another expert. Do you think those
experts are interested in a 'transformational change'? Probably they have
not even clear ideas about it as they themselves are mostly stuck in their
sophisticated personality. So...
For sure they are not interested in any 'transformational change'; they
are totally convinced and occupied with themselves and their ideas. This
is obvious when we observe them, although there has been a few in human
history who had the intention to change something profoundly, but they
were killed because of this or they were eaten up by the resistance of
Then medical doctors:
There might be a few interested, but they are also mostly stuck in their
way of thinking, in the first place they are interested in treating symptoms
by manipulation or prescribing medication. That's what they have learned
in their medical education.
Are there individuals
among those professionals they might be interested in a 'transformational
change' for themselves? Probably extremely few, because they use their
professional knowledge as part of their personality to be confirmed in
their existence and if they can combine their psychological knowledge with
spiritual concepts then they are untouchable and any 'transformational
change' is kept out. There is just no need for it. Why? Because whatever
might happen and whatever challenge shows up, it will be successfully rejected
and put in its place where it belongs. One's superiority will stay untouched.
In our society medical doctors still have the position as high priests,
nobody questions their authority and if somebody does then they get the
stamp: "insane!" I can tell stories from my own experience about this...
Yes, I know that 'I' don't want to give up and 'I' don't want to know about
the possibility that 'I am' still hanging on with an intellectual concept
or other kind of trick - fooling myself. So then my other question is what
is the yardstick that we can use to measure ourselves - in an independent
way without needing an authority to tell us - if there might be something
currently needing transformation?
Dropping one concept in exchange for another one is not a 'transformational
change'. But if you become aware that you are identified with your concepts,
whatever these are, and you are getting your feeling of existence out of
it, then this might be a beginning... Of course we are fooling ourselves
and we are clinging using all kind of tricks. All and every thing turns
around the 'I'.
If you can measure
yourself? You can't, at least not in questions about 'transformational
change', there isn't such a 'stick' you can use from your personal viewpoints.
You can measure the amount of property you have gathered but hardly the
position of your personal evolution. Yes, there are some tests where you
can measure your state of personal growth and 'enlightenment'. That's another
game to give you self-confirmation. Once you have passed a real transformational
change, then you will be capable to measure things, what means that you
will be able to give an objective value to happenings within and around
you. At this moment you only can do what feels right in your daily circumstances,
knowing that this is not a measure, but the only way to do it, because
your feeling of what is right is still too much influenced by your needs,
your wishes, your dreams, your self image, your concepts, your unconscious
background. But if you sensitively are aware then you will observe yourself
and discover the tricks you are using, again and again, being aware that
you are going into another game, etc. Your own reactions to what shows
up in daily life from your surrounding and from people are the best measure,
if you are aware of this and observe and reflect about it, that's all and
enough. So better relax and trust that finally it will come to an end.
Remember that all being has an inbuilt growing force and so also humans
and this force will guide you the shortest way possible if you allow this...
Be aware of your reactions,
these show you where you resist, what means you will not react anymore
when your unconscious background structure has been cleared up, more you
can't do. And then a 'transformational change' might happen because it
is already happening, or at least you are preparing the necessary base
condition that it can happen.
It seems to me that it is a good thing for any individual to have some
kind of change, especially to bring one more in touch with ones spiritual
"Some kind of change?" Is there a real change? Or is there just a change
in concepts? Does it make any difference if somebody is killed because
of materialistic reasons or killed because of religious reasons? For the
killed people for sure it will not make any difference, although the religious
motivation gives more strength to the killer... Again: Strong concepts
are involved! And used often by clever people to manipulate others for
their own interest.
What is the 'spiritual
side' of a person? This seems to be part of an image and so has little
or nothing to do with 'spirituality', that only can be the result of a
growing process, which includes the whole individual and for sure not beliefs
or concepts, as beautiful these might be...
Then let me call it 'self growth'. Isn't this a spiritual learning process?
Let me give an example, although this contains dynamite: I'm observing
a 'very spiritual person', that's how she calls herself, and she is in
a strong 'spiritual transformational process'. She is convinced about it,
because she is an 'expert'!... This person is totally involved in it, strongly
identified with some sophisticated spiritual concepts and obviously convinced
that she is nearly enlightened. But her daily life behavior showing up
in her reactions are still totally unconscious and to such an extreme,
that no communication is possible, what means she is not able to receive
any critique or advice and she can't relate to what comes to her. It is
obvious that she is 'pretending', but she's not at all conscious about
it. One can see it how she still is doing this old game of provoking reactions
in another person and then using the situation to react even stronger and
of course finding a reason for this and giving the fault to the other.
Trying to draw the other into arguing: to win the game. If this doesn't
work, because one doesn't join her game, then after trying some more tricks
to save her position and if this also doesn't work, then getting into a
desperate situation with the need to pull the emergency brake.
You see, it is much
more complicated and the 'personality' owns a huge arsenal of tricky ways
to defend itself. There seems to be no limitation, but there is: There
happens an inner blockage where no trick will help to find 'self confirmation'.
This works like a kind of 'guardian of the threshold' and keeps the door
close for every body who is not ready. There is no trick possible and always
turns the pretending person back to oneself. So the last trick might be
to end in total 'craziness' (alcohol is the common and accepted way to
'help' in this) to save oneself. Pretty absurd and sad, but it works...
You mentioned 'self
growth'. This is a very diffuse and tricky word, because it can be used
and is understood quite differently. It sounds positive and promising and
can be interpreted individually from ones own view and need, so it is used
as an effective marketing name to sell products and services and these
serve exclusively personality purposes mainly to make money, a game that
supports personality on both sides. Of course nobody wants and is capable
to look behind, this is just natural and part of human nature, that rules
behavior and attitude.
Knowing that whatever one does, that this is a 'turning around oneself'
and a strengthening of ones personality, so isn't there a way, without
forcing oneself or falling into the traps of salesmen, that one can do
something not to trick oneself again and again?
Yes there is and it is not a concept, it is something practical we can
do for and within our daily life and the best is that we can do it alone
and without depending on anybody or the help of an expert.
Here it comes: Every
body is getting into stress because one must constantly defend ones precious
personality with all its properties: Ones self image, beliefs, opinions,
knowledge, concepts, etc. and these properties are constantly influenced
and somehow attacked, because the daily reality doesn't fit completely,
so then stress is caused and accumulated. Now this accumulated stress is
used by ones personality to keep ones games going, causing all kind of
conflicts and problematic situations, including disease and a lot of suffering.
Stress is a kind of super fuel, it burns, gives heat and on the long run
it destroys. So the most effective way to end ones games, is to take off
and out this kind of produced and stored stress energy. You won't belief
it, but this can be done by a simple daily exercise. I call it 'StressReleaseExercise'
and I am talking about it in detail in one of my audios where I have also
given complete advice how to do it.
One last question: I am searching to get out of the trap of my personality
and I want to avoid going into tricking myself or being drawn into games
by salesmen. What can I do apart of the mentioned exercise, to distinguish
from all what is offered what can be a real help and what is not?
My suggestion is that you are very critical with every thing you need to
buy, most of it you will get is fake anyway. The real help you will receive
for free because it is available around you and within you, you only need
to be open for it. The helper who points this out will not charge you for
it. Listen to my audio about abundance, this will give you some hints.
Go and get out of dependencies - take self responsibility! That's the best
way to avoid any kind of tricks, from others and from yourself with yourself.
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